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MessageSujet: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Sam 18 Aoû 2012 - 14:59

Some weeks ago people on the forum got the idea to start listing all remaining Mustels. This idea made me try to do the same thing for the
Schiedmayer dominators and scheolas.

For the moment I have collected pictures and information of about 25-30 instruments. What stroke me is the fact that not a single instrument is identical to another.
Almost each instruments differs somehow from what is written in the catalogues. That's why I would like to share my discoveries in this post with those who are interested.

To clear things up before we start:
Schiedmayer produced many different "dominators" (=harmonium or harmonium-celesta) and "scheolas" (= harmonium+roll-player or harmonium-celesta+roll player)
All models have names derived from famous composers and all of them are kunstharmoniums in the way that they have fortes expressifs, fortes fixes, metaphones, prolongements and double expression.

harmoniums, from small to big:

    model Gounod: 6 4 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 4 8
    model Bizet: 6 5 4 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 4 5 6
    model Verdi: 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 8
    model Rossini: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

harmoniums with roll-player:

    model 1* (=Bizet): 6 5 4 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 4 5 6
    model 2* (=Verdi): 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 8
    model 3* (=Rossini): 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

    *these models are also called model "Brahms"

harmonium-celesta's

    model Wagner: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
    model Strauss: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 <= this model has 69 keys, A to F

harmonium-celesta's with roll-player Mustel made only one of these called "Grand Concertal"

    model Palestrina 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

my discoveries:

Discovery 1: Some instruments have additional prolongements. these 2 extra prolongements at the right of the keyboard operate the tenor register c-e and the complete treble side f-c.

As there is no place for additional heel-levers to release these prolongements, big push-buttons are found in front of the keyboard to release them:


Discovery 2: On the older instruments you see the name tag : "Meister Harmonium" instead of Dominator (see picture above)

Discovery 3: Some instruments have a scrambled order of registernumbers, sometimes only on one side, other times on both sides.
These is meant to facilitate the drawing of common combinations. examples: 3+7, 1+4, 5+6
The next picture shows a scheola model Palestrina, notice the order 3 6 8 5 4 7 2 1 1p - 1p 8 4 1 5 6 9 2 7 3 (instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)


Discovery 4: Some model Wagners have the 8th register in the bass (Undamaris 8') which is normally only found on the bigger model Strauss. Notice that all models Palestrina have this register too although they have only 61 keys like the model Wagner.

Both Wagner, Wagner with 8 undamaris and Palestrina (which has the 8 undamaris too) have the same amount of reeds!!! read the next discovery to find how this is possible.


Discovery 5: Most Palestrina's and Wagners-WITH-this-register-8-in-the-bass seem to have a limited version of register 6 (violon 16') working only for 1 octave!!!

first some explaning:

The Schiedmayer dominators and scheolas have special switches for the registers 2, 5 and 6 in the bass. These switches are normally located right above these registers and let the register only sound in a part of the bass side.
You don't have to pull the normal stop knob, you can just press these little switches down and the register in question will sound in the dedicated range.
with kind permission of harmoniumnet.nl:


This all is to have for example the heavy bass sound of the 16 foot stops (nr. 2 and nr. 6) only in the lowest octave, as they might sound muddy in a musical context when played higher,
Another example: you can now exclude the very high sounding 2 foot stop (nr. 5) in the lowest octave where the bass-sound might be disturbed by this high sounding register.

BUT! have a look again at the picture of "discovery 3":


the 6 violon 16' is located left of the switch (instead of below it) and there's no way to have this register in normal mode as it's porcelain is just glued to the wood of the backplate
instead of on a stopknob. You can only activate it with the switch "C to H" which makes it only sound in the lowest octave.

Another example (which is even more strange) is this instrument (a Wagner WITH register 8 ):


..this time the registers are not completely scrambled, their order is logical from 1 to 5, but at the end 6-8 thing get weird again..
..the register 7 is glued to the wood, what is going on?

Well, take look at register 6, unlike the previous example it now has a normal stopknob but there is the indication C-H, so again it works only in the lowest octave.

register 7 should have had a normal stopknob but somehow they used one of the smaller switches for this register...it looks very strange..
Normally the model Wagner has no register 8 in the bass, it seems like Schiedmayer did it's best to include it without using new stop knobs... Smile

Each instrument with this smaller nr. 6 does also have a smaller nr. 8 because these reeds are located in the same chamber:



!!! Therefor the wagners, wagners with undamaris, and Palestrina's ALL have the same amount of reeds!!! 616
The Wagner has a complete rank of nr. 6 in the bass. The Wagner with undamaris and the Palestrina have the 6 in the lowest octave, and the 8 in the 1 1/2 octave above this lowest octave.

...a very rare EXCEPTION is this instrument, a model Wagner but with a 4th switch for register nr. 7, this harmonium has 645 reeds:


next to this exception, ONLY the model Strauss seems to have a complete nr. 6 and nr. 8 wich gives a total of 732 reeds! (due to the 69 keys)
Notice that the celesta in this instrument has a range of 5 3/4 octaves! just like the big orchestral celestas they make today.



Discovery 6: Some instruments have double forte's which are both operated by the forte expressif:

It looks like it is found on the earlier models, but I'm not sure if this is a correct presumption.

Discovery 7: The registers 4 and 7 in the bass have often different names.

On the earlier instruments (around 1910-1915) you see:

4: Horn
7: Basson

On the later models you see:

4: Basson
7: Violoncello or Cello

Mind that "Basson" is used for both registers!

In his "Universalschule für Harmonium" Paul Schmidt always refers to register 7 as "4b". These two 8 foot stop have a likewise soundquality.
Thoughout his 3 volume book he speaks of 4a and 4b. Notice that these 2 registers are located next to each other on instruments with scrambled registernumbers!
You can see this on the model Palestrina  in "discovery 3 & 5"

Discovery 8:
On some instruments you find a porcelain with the model's name. I don't think it was to be found on later models


Discovery 9:

On some Palestrina's the celesta seems to be located behind the roll mechanism, instead of above it. This way the instrument can be made a whole
lot lower: 1m80 instead of 2m80.
Here's a picture of an example:

this instrument has 2 manuals so it clearly has the celesta.

UPDATE 29/06/2014

The celesta part was just not shown on this picture...here it is again:


Many pictures in the catalogues show double manual scheolas before the celesta was put on top. On other instruments the player machanism and celesta were
housed in one big upper case.


There were many different cases for these scheola's and they all had names like "Parsifal", "Tristan" and "Amforias", all of these names seemed to be related to Wagner's opera's.
The model Palestrina is in fact a model Wagner with a roll-player Smile

So far, I have never seen or heard of a model Strauss (69 keys) + roll-player.

Discovery 10: On some instruments the little porcelain next to the small switches says "c-h" instead of "C-H".
It's a very small difference but I did notice it :)for an example of this porcelain in capital letters suggesting the right octave position see pictures above.
Here's a picture showing small letters (not original?)


Discovery 11: There were 2 models of the right heel:

model 1 is just the same heel lever as the other 2

model 2 differs from the other heel lever:


Unlike the left lever (prolongement), this right lever controls the dampers of the celesta. If you press it, the sound will be damped. A professional player
might use this lever continuously in a celesta-passage. The extra attached piece makes it more easy to control it will while pedalling. It rotates while the right foot
goes up and down.

Discovery 12: changes concerning the porcelains for the heel levers:

on some instruments there are no porcelains for the heel-levers, this seems to be original as they are also featured in the catalogues.

On the instrument with the porcelains you can find this very small difference:



It's hardly noticeable, but it's there Smile

Discovery 13: Some instruments have the option "doppeltastendruck". This option makes the keys velocity-sensible: if you press the keys softly only the registers
lying in the back will sound = sharp sounding registers. If you press the keys all the way down all registers will sound (also the warm sounding registers in the front)

Actually this feature is in some degree present on all harmoniums.

Discovery 14: on some instruments (later instruments) the 1p only activates the percussion mechanism, if you want to hear the 1 as well you have to pull the 1 Smile
There's a good and a bad side of this choice:

good: you have the percussion to use on nr. 4 or nr. 8 instead of always nr. 1
bad: each time 1p is written in the score you have to pull 2 knobs instead of 1

Discovery 15: 2 manual Suction Dominator harmonium-celesta

Without mentioning names, I know someone who bought a big dominator some years ago, When he got home,
he was very upset to discover that his Schiedmayer harmonium-celesta turned out to be a suction instrument..

He told me that he thinks Schiedmayer made it for a special occasion and that they were never build in large amount..

Discovery 16:

Today I received a new catalogue dating 1928..


First I would like to point out that this instrument is never called a dominator, but it looks very alike.

The catalogue mentiones 4 models:

-155 P.C. Normal (5 spiele)
-155 P.C. Doppelexpres​sion(5 spiele)
-155 P.C. Erweitert Normal (6 1/2 spiele)
-155 P.C. Erweitert Doppelexpres​sion(6 1/2 spiele)

So,..

-All models have 3 heel levers (unlike the picture on the title page..) These 3 heel levers have the same function as the dominator/Scheola series: prol.ausl. / GJ / Celesta ped.
-All models have knee levers but on 2 models these only control the fortes...the 2 other instruments do have doppelexpression.

There are all pressure harmoniums (teilung e-f), but not kunstharmoniums.
Schiedmayer was still building the "real" dominators as well. Here's one built in 1929::



Thanks to Frans van der Grijn I now know that these Orchester-harmoniums were already produced since 1911! They seem to be as old as the dominator / scheola series.
Although most registers on these Orchester-harmoniums have the same name there are some differences (and similarities):

similarities:
-they have the same "look": 3 heel levers, 2 knee levers, celesta, prolongements etc.
-they have perkussion, this time spelled with a "k" instead of "c"

differences:

-no metaphones nor forte expressifs, they only have the regular fortes
-other register names

overview of the 6 1/2 spiele:

left:

1p Perkussion 8'
1 Englisch Horn 8'
Piano 8' (= sourdine!! not available/needed on the doppelexpressionmodel)
2 Bourdon 16'
3 Clairon 4'
4 Cello 8'
5 Undamaris 8' (only available on the 6 1/2 spiele)
6 Fagott 16' (= 6 violon 16'?)
Sb. Subbass 16' (C-h)
Vb. Violonbass 16' (C-h)


right:

1p Perkussion 8'
1 Flöte 8'
Piano 8' (= sourdine!! not available/needed on the doppelexpressionmodel)
2 Klarinette 8'
3 Fifre 4'
4 Oboe 8'
5 Aeolsharfe 8' (only available on the 6 1/2 spiele)
6 Schalmei 16' (= 5 musette 16'?)

These instruments don't have 2' and 32' either. They were clearly used for cinema's (Kino) etc.
6 1/2 spiele is not that much compared to the 10 spiele of the model Wagner/Palestrina and the 10 1/2 spiele of the model Strauss.

Unfortunately no prices are mentioned in the catalogue.

Many thanks to forummember Frans van der Grijn from harmoniumnet.nl and forummember HarpeEolienne for the documents!

Discovery 17: Registrations were printed on the Scheola rolls!



If Mustel and Aeolian did the same is a mystery to me as nobody seems to be posting pictures of those rolls. I'm glad I found a reason to post this marvelous picture,
it's quite "dominating" although it's not a dominator but a scheola Smile

I hope you enjoyed this post!
all the best,

Nils


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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Sam 18 Aoû 2012 - 19:55

Hi Nils,

one question for the Schiedmayer specialist: the Dominator of my friend has Prolongement piano and Prolongement forte. Does this mean that it has the "Doppeltastendruck"-mechanism? Probably, or what do you think? I will test it when I visit him next time...

Thanks for your interesting post

Yours

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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Sam 18 Aoû 2012 - 21:06

Hello Christoph,

thank you for your question.

The "prolongement piano" is available on all dominators. This mechanism presses the keys down for 5-6 mm instead of 10-11 mm (half way).

On instruments without "doppeltastendruck" you can only have a "natural doppeltastendruck" by pressing down the keys for just 1 mm, so normally the
prolongement piano makes ALL the registers sounds, but the sound is less loud because the opening of the valves is smaller. This way the sound
is less rich of uppertones or harmonics.

This is Lenter's explanation (thanks to harmoniumnet.nl):

Citation :
Prologement forte/ piano:

Die Hakenleiste, in welchen die Taste mit ihrem eigenen Haken eingreift, wird in zwei unterschiedlichen Stellungen fixiert. Also einmal ganz normal, in tiefer Tastenstellung (so wie man es immer kennt), dann aber auch im Piano in einer Stellung, wo die Taste nicht ganz so tief gedrückt wird (= ~ halbe Tastenreise). Dadurch werden die Ventile C – H nicht (ganz) vollständig geöffnet, der Ton erklingt etwas dumpfer und mit weniger Oberton.

On instruments with "doppeltastendruck", 5-6 mm's would result in hearing only the registers in the back because the keys have to be pressed
at least 7-8 mm before you hear all registers.

all the best,
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Dim 19 Aoû 2012 - 21:13

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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Mer 12 Déc 2012 - 12:47

List of the dominators and Scheolas I have discovered so far (25 instruments in total)
If you know other ones please let me know!



















































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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Jeu 13 Déc 2012 - 20:40

Passionnant ! Merci !!!

How interesting !!! Thank you for this !!
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 14 Déc 2012 - 0:17

merci beaucoup Mathieu! Smile

l'instrument le plus curieux:



c'est un model "Bizet". Il manque quelques registres important pour jouer le répertoire ( clairon, fifre, baryton): 6 5 4 2 1 1p - 1p 1 2 4 5 6
...but he seems to have the celesta (double manual) and the roll-player...

...on the other hand, the porcelain for the celesta (third heel lever) seems to be missing..I don't understand this instrument.


I think that it is extremely deep.



this instrument seems to have the same depth, one would guess 70-80cm..

but here it is again from a different angle:



I guess that the celesta is located behind the roll-player, would this make sense? Smile
This instrument is located in the MIM in Berlin, I really would like to visit this instrument. They have a huge collection of keyboard instruments.
I will update this list once I discover new instruments. I know Dieter Stalder has some Schiedmayers. If anyone on this forum has pictures of his museum,
please share Smile

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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Mar 18 Déc 2012 - 20:16

Dear Nils,
do You have any further information on the 15th Dominator in your picture catalogue (the only harmonium with its photo sideways)? Wagner? Is that the instrument on sale in Germany? Do you know it's condition?
Thanks,
congrats on your great article!
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 21 Déc 2012 - 14:26

Nils Van der Plancken a écrit:
List of the dominators and Scheolas I have discovered so far (22 instruments in total)
If you know other ones please let me know!



It is nice to see so much pictures of Dominator & Rossini.

DISCOVERED it says.


Most of the pictures are from my harddisk.





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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 21 Déc 2012 - 14:57

this is not true Frans, some are and I have referred to your website many times before.
not a single scheola is from your website
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 21 Déc 2012 - 15:03

Tomaz Sevsek Sramel a écrit:
Dear Nils,
do You have any further information on the 15th Dominator in your picture catalogue (the only harmonium with its photo sideways)? Wagner? Is that the instrument on sale in Germany? Do you know it's condition?
Thanks,
congrats on your great article!


Wagner = C-c4
Stauss = AA-f4

Scheola's which infact are Dominators + roll player don't have model names, most of them are Palestrina + a number.

See catalog H87 and H103
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 21 Déc 2012 - 15:44

yes 7 of the 15 are
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 15 Fév 2013 - 13:40

Hello everyone,

this week I discovered a new very fascinating instrument made by Schiedmayer. It concerns a 2 manual harmonium, which is currently being restored by Klaus Langer.
The instrument is for sale! contact info: http://www.harmonium-werkstatt.de/



So, what is interesting about this (art)harmonium?

1. Double Expression

First of all it has a double expression, but unlike Mustel 2-manual harmoniums, this mechanism still controls the balance left-right (instead of upper manual - lower manual).
The splitpoint e/f is at the same octave position as a regular pressure (art)harmonium. (2-manual harmoniums by Mustel have this "teilung" an octave lower)

The big advantage of this unique system is the fact that when you play coupled manuals this harmonium functions as a normal artharmonium. You can play the repertoire on it!

2. Registers

it is one of the biggest harmoniums I have ever seen:
9 ranks in the bass, 11 in the treble.

complete stoplist:



=> a complete undamaris 8' (most of the times this register is only available from second C to e)
=> 2 harpe eoliennes 8' !!!
=> you can choose the 2 ranks of the Vox Angelica separately: one rank is still named "vox angelica" the other one "Gamba"

in total this instrument has 10 x 29 + 14 x 37 = 290 + 518 = 808 reeds...

3. Extra keys!

this harmonium has 5 additional keys in the treble, extending the range to high F!

4. a Dominator?

This instrument was probably built around 1920. Although no "dominator" name tag is to be found, there are many similarities:
-same registers (some different names, f.e.: Basstuba 16' instead of bourdon 16')
-same wood/keyboard design
-same heel levers, double expression, prolongement, metaphones etc.
-same design of knobs
-presence of a little switch to make the Basstuba 16' only work in the lowest octave.

some other differences which were not yet discussed:
-no fortes expressifs
-no 4' in the treble
-some registers have a mechanism to draw them "half". This way the register will sound softer = sourdine ("piano" version of the respective register)
-no "prolongement piano"

I have never seen another harmonium like this one

some pictures:











I will post pictures of the case once I receive them.

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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Mar 2 Juil 2013 - 15:49

4 new discoveries about the Schiedmayer dominators/Scheola's:

Discovery 18

I finally located the original position of the fortes expressifs on the instruments with celesta.



I'm not sure where they are located in harmonium-celesta's built by Mustel, but in the Schiedmayer instruments the celesta parts are preventing these small bellows
of being located at their regular place near the register-stops.

This way I found myself able to restore my instrument. The system is quite ingenious, the forte-expressif-chimneys take some bends inside of the instrument
to end up in the "swellbox". A picture of my instrument:


there was a piece taped over this hole, you can still see the marks of the forte-expressif bellow. I will post some pictures of the restored bellows soon.

Discovery 19

The expression-klappe is working differently from Mustels:

This system prevents air from escaping to the reservoir but makes it more dangerous to harm the bellows when pumping to hard.

Discovery 20

Unlike stated in a previous post, harmonium-celesta's WITH player-mechanism AND a low case did probably not exist!
It looks like the celesta (upper part) was added to existing cases meant for Scheola's (=player-harmonium) without celesta.

This instrument for example:



turned out to be this:


...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWB7a1uYVy8 1:33-1:38 : )

Discovery 21

The grand-jeu in Schiedmayer instruments seemed to include all register 0 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1p - 1p 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 instead of the regular 0 4 3 2 1p 1p 2 3 4 0
Today I discovered that earlier dominators seemed to have the following registers included in the grand-jeu: 0 8 7 4 3 1p - 1p 2 3 4 5 6 8 9
It sounds much better since the 2' and 32' are excluded. Although all 16's are excluded in the bass it still sounds very natural...it's almost like the registers in the bass
create so called "combination-tones" resulting in 16's.


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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Mer 3 Juil 2013 - 5:08

Thanks, Nils, for all this information. I think you are the one in the forum with the best understanding of theses instruments...Wink

In November I am in Berlin - I`ll try to have a look at the scheola in the Musikinstrumentenmuseum!
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Mer 3 Juil 2013 - 7:00

In fact, I think that most of the XXth century Mustel harmoniums have the same expression valve.
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Mer 3 Juil 2013 - 19:36

this is possible, I thought they always opened "inwards" instead of "outwards". Please share pictures if you have them!
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Ven 19 Juil 2013 - 10:45

some new discoveries Smile

Discovery 22 Ivory

I have seen some instruments without ivory keys, maybe it was an option. It is however very possible that the original ivory was removed and replaced by a cheaper material at a later time.

Discovery 23 Undamaris 8 was also available on instruments without roll-player or celesta (unlike mentioned in the catalogues).
I have found a model Rossini with a reed chamber being devided 6 violon C-H/ 8 undamaris c-e, just like found in many Scheola's.

The violon 16' C-H is called contrabasson on this instrument, but I don't think this is an original porcelain.

Discovery 24 biggest model Strauss
I have found a model Strauss (range A-F, 69 keys) with the additional treble prolongements. To my knowledge this is the biggest Dominator yet found.


Discovery 25 special range F-C 68 keys.

Although uncommon on pressure harmoniums, this range is sometimes found on suction harmoniums (reed organs). The splitpoint is indeed between H and C
just as a reed organ. I have never seen a second one like this. The prolongement is again 12 notes (F to E).

This instrument was probably made for someone who loved to have a pressure harmonium (sharper reeds, double expression etc.) with a reed organ disposition and splitpoint.
as on most reed organs the 3's are located next to the 1's. They are the most important registers. Musette, voix celeste and baryton are not common on a reed organ and not included on this instrument.

Discovery 26 not all instruments feature coloured porcelaines (pink for sharp registers)

Discovery 27 Some instruments have sourdines!
sourdines are not common on kunstharmoniums. Recently I made a post of a 2 manual schiedmayer harmonium (no celesta) that could be coupled to work as
a regular kunstharmonium with a double expression that works left/right. The lack of a double expression mechanism between upper/lower manual (Mustel) resulted
in the presence of many sourdine registers called "Halbzug Piano".

these mechanisms allow you to draw a stop just a little bit for a softer sound.

With less obvious reasons, I now found a single manual dominator that also has this sourdine for the Englisch Horn (Cor Anglais)


Discovery 28 Some instruments lack the little switches that limit registers 2, 5 and 6 in the bass (see picture above). On many of these instruments
a register called 6 Subbass 16' is present. This register is in fact the little switch for the 2 Bourdon 16', called C contrebasse 16' or even 6 contrebasse 16' on instruments by Mustel.

Discovery 29 On some smaller instruments registers are numbered differently

on this instrument 5 harpe eolienne 8' instead of 8 harpe eolienne 8'

Discovery 30
I have found some new register orders. Some of them result in the little switches being located at different spots.



Discovery 31 French register names:
English Horn is sometimes named Cor Anglais, see pictures above.

Discovery 32 extraordinary design of some instruments:


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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Sam 20 Juil 2013 - 10:01

Keep in mind that the buyer could ask for a 'architect design' for the case of the instrument.
Also it shows from documentation that the buyer could pick any disposition (which were in fact minor changes to the standard stoplist.)

Changing the order of the stops would have been done due to the player in locations like the "Kino" (movie-theatre).


N'oubliez pas que l'acheteur pourrait demander une « conception de l'architecte » pour le cas de l'instrument.
Il montre également de la documentation que l'acheteur pourrait choisir une disposition (qui étaient en fait des modifications mineures à la liste de mots vides standard).

Modification de l'ordre des arrêts aurait été fait par le joueur dans des endroits comme le "Kino" (salle de cinéma).
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MessageSujet: Grand Jeu in Schiedmayer instruments   Sam 27 Juil 2013 - 11:47


Nils wrote: "Discovery 21

The grand-jeu in Schiedmayer instruments seemed to include all register 0 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1p - 1p 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0"


I am very interested where this would be found in literature. As far as I know it was and is the standard 4 ranks (1,2,3,4) as in the Debain brevet.

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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Sam 27 Juil 2013 - 16:08

On Schiedmayer dominators/scheola's, the grand-jeu bar has a metal "arm" for each registerstop. It's also in the booklets of the cds of the museum in Liestal.
I had my grand-jeu modified to only include the standard 4 ranks, to be able to perform the repertoire well. Before me someone had already adjusted the bar
a bit so it didn't include the 2' and 32'.
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MessageSujet: Discovery 25 special range F-C 68 keys.   Jeu 26 Sep 2013 - 8:41

The serial number of this instrument is 44652, built in 1911
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Sam 26 Avr 2014 - 11:20

Voilà le lien à un Dominator en Pologne, en très mauvais ètat:

http://olx.pl/oferta/pianino-organy-schiedmayer-dominator-antyk-fortepian-CID751-ID52Wil.html
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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Dim 29 Juin 2014 - 11:19

Discovery 33 Celesta on/off switch.

Today while working on my own instrument I found a spring in the celesta case I had never noticed before.



It looks to be a mechanism to put the celesta in on or off position. I have never read about this feature in the catalogues,
but it is very convenient. This way you can play harmonium only on the upper manual with all stopknobs within reach.


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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Dim 29 Juin 2014 - 12:42

The links don't work.


The Grand Concertal has 2 stops to disconnect the Celesta from the rollplayer.

The normal Orgue-Celesta has a Coupler, where C-H are Always coupled to the lower manual.  

It looks you are misinterpreting the design of the mechanism.



Maybe these pictures are helpfull...

http://www.harmoniumnet.nl/history-8-mustel.html





Frans


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MessageSujet: Re: Schiedmayer Dominators and Scheolas   Aujourd'hui à 20:10

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