What is register S in the bass?

Today while reading some Wagner pieces transcribed by Karg-Elert I found the register "S" in a square at the beginning of a piece (bass).
In this work, you can decide yourself if you want to use this "S" or (oder) Méta 543.

Could this be the Sub basse? (=musette 16' in the bass?)
I don't think so as none of the 543 is a 16' register (2' + 8' + 4')
There should probably also be a note concerning the octava signs if a 16' is to be used in this passage...

all help is very welcome!

Nils

I think the (S) means "Sourdine", which I found as a stop at some of my harmoniums (Christophe & Étienne, Trayser, Balthasar-Florence). More often it is a bass stop but the B-F has it on bass and treble.

Je pense que la (S) signifie "Sourdine", que j'ai trouvé comme un jeu à certains de mes harmoniums (Christophe & Étienne, Trayser, Balthasar-Florence). Plus souvent, il ya un jeu de basse, mais le B-F il a la basse et les aigus.

Kind regards / Cordialement
- Andreas -

thank you for your reply!

The "S" indeed stands for sourdine in single-expression harmonium literature, it is however never found on a kunstharmonium.
The score indicates S oder Méta543 in squares! squares stand for kunstharmonium.

very strange...

je vous remercie pour votre réponse!

En effet, le "S" signifie sourdine dans la littérature pour harmonium single expression, mais il n'est jamais trouvé sur un harmonium d'art (double expression).
La partition indique S ou Méta543 en carrés! carrés = harmonium d'art.

très étrange ...

Se pourrait-il qu'il s'agisse d'une erreur d'édition ?
Je n'ai jamais vu de Sourdine sur un harmonium d'art. Ce qui s'en rapproche le plus est la Sourdine Générale qu'on peut trouver sur certains beaux Alexandre...
Si c'était une erreur, cela pourrait correspondre à une suggestion de registration pour harmonium normal/harmonium d'art, non ? Y a-t-il quelque chose de ce genre ailleurs sur la partition ?

Could it be an editor's mistake ?
I've never seen a Sourdine on a kunstharmonium. Th closest thing I can think about is the Sourdine Générale on some nice Alexandre (described elsewhere on the forum).
This would be consistent with a double registration sggestion for usual harmonium or kunstharmonium. Is there such a thing on this score ?

I will scan the page in question and put in this topic

Maybe... ...the S was a 5... ...

In the right hand the same is happening, but! because of the additional 7 (32') the "8va" sign is added.
If the "S" would mean "5" there should be an "15 bassa sign" ...mind that it is impossible to play this passage 2 octaves lower...

Maybe it is indeed the sourdine, the arrow could be pointing only to "sourdine" oder "métaphone" ...

Ok, I think I have the solution:

This scores uses normal-harmonium registrations which are just written out, or are indicated in CIRCLES.. (should be octagonals)
the normal pressure harmonium-indications are in squares as well...very confusing..

at another occurrence of S = sanftem 8' = soft 8' = sourdine

Yes, Nils - you are right - this is a typographical error - The "S" should have been either in an ocatagonal or a circle (not in a square). There is a clear remark saying 'Saugluft(harmonium)', meaning the Sourdine should be used in case of a suction-type harmonium (which remplaced the pressure harmoniums in Germany). In German we call the American-style harmonium 'Saugwindharmonium' or less frequently 'Saugluftharmonium' and the French-style harmonium 'Druckwindharmonium' respectively 'Druckluftharmonium'.

----

Oui, Nils - vous avez raison - c'est une erreur typographique - Le "S" aurait dû être soit dans un ocatagonal ou un cercle (et non dans un carré). Il ya une remarque clairement en disant «Saugluft (harmonium)», ce qui signifie la Sourdine doit être utilisé dans le cas d'un harmonium aspirant (qui remplaced les harmoniums pression en Allemagne). En allemand on appelle «Saugwindharmonium« l'harmonium aspirant ou moins fréquemment «Saugluftharmonium» et «Druckwindharmonium« l'harmonium a pression respectivement «Druckluftharmonium».

Best regards / Cordialemant - Andreas -